| ANChan59 | 2010-06-30 21:01 |
| [i=s] 本帖最後由 ANChan59 於 13-8-15 21:29 編輯 [/i]
各位，因為小兒曾經上過英文寫作班及操卷班是4年前的事，他上了兩個學期，跟著沒有再上，所以資料已經過了時間性，參考作用不大，所以在數月前我已經不再提供，不想誤導其他家長，抱歉！ ************** My son studies in a local DSS (直資學校) school which provided both NSS (新高中) & IB curriculum (國際文憑課程). Our family spent quite some time to evaluate the pros and cons of both curriculum and the admission of Universities and other considerations. I would like to share with you all here, only my personal experience. Background The school just offers the bridging course of IBDP (國際文憑課程). this school year and no track record of IBDP (國際文憑課程). and even unauthorized in IBO (國際文憑組織). website (Now, being authorized). The tuition fee will be nearly double for IB stream relative to NSS stream. First year only recruit max 60 students, but only 45 places filled as they only accept the top students and excellent command of English to take IBDP (國際文憑課程). (top 80 out of 240 form ranking). Our concerns: 1. JUPAS (聯招) vs Non-JUPAS (非聯招) 75% university places for JUPAS and only 25% for non-JUPAS (after further review, 25% is max for CityU, other Us from 10-20%, in case you want to know exactly, pls check each university's admission section.). So the chance seems to be higher for JUPAS. I did some research on LPCUWC (李寶春聯合國際書院) and some ESF (英基學校)and IS (國際學校) schools' university admission results in the last few years (Most IS & ESF schools didn't disclose much of their IB results and university admission results, my wild guess their results not impressive.) LPCUWC - 2009 May IB results average 37.16, HK students average 39.29, overseas student’s average 35.13 and the max will be 45 and passing score is 24. Most ESF and IS's IB average less than 32. LPCUWC IB results with flying colors and 82% students study in HK get into Big 3 (港大、中大、科大) in HK and the subjects are impressive like Medicine, Law, Architecture, Business. If my son's IB results comparative to the bright students of LPCUWC, his chance gets into Big 3 for hot subjects may be higher than JUPAS stream. 2. Curriculum (課程) NSS has some changes in the curriculum like introducing Liberal Studies (通識) , OLE (其他學習經驗), M1 (統計) & M2 (微積分) on top of core Maths. But the examination papers standard close to A-level. It's easier for teachers, students and tuition centers as most HKCEE (會考) and A-level past papers still valid for them. IB has the curriculum but not very popularly known and sometimes their scope close to 1st year University level, but not in the IB examination. Broad curriculum and not as structural as NSS. 3. Work load Heavy loading in continuous assessment, many projects, presentation, essay writing, lab work etc. it's very demanding in time management and discipline. Some students even as boarders to save their daily travelling time to meet the deadline. Relative to NSS students, they are still "Hea" and wait for the last year to burn the mid-light oil. 4. Top notch universities I participated two seminars from Cambridge and Oxford Universities' Admission Officer in HK last October/November. Particularly Cambridge recognized the HKAL, but not for HKDSE (香港文憑試). So he recommended students want to study in Cambridge either study Pre-U schools in UK or go for IB, 38-41 will have a chance for interview and depends on individual college requirement (I won't elaborate college system here.). As A* in HKDSE not equivalent to A* in GCE AL, HK students' chance to study elite universities in UK will be slim. That's why more students study in UK for high school. 5. HK/USA/UK My son not makes up his mind to study in which regions, IB can be one fits all except some US universities may need SAT or other exam to prove your English proficiency. Pls better check the admission requirement of individual university. 6. Exam expert v Life time learner No definitely preference, sometimes excellent exam results are essential for further studying and career advancement. If exam upset your kid to study, you need to rethink. (Too much work load may also upset my son). Tactics to achieve IBDP Bridging Program ((國際文憑銜接課程). place in my son's school 1. Excellent command of English In IBDP, teacher supposes not teaching grammar or basic English, they focus on literature critique. My son not from the primary division of the school, so may not up to the par of their requirement. So we sent him to a very good English class to polish his English writing skills. Not matter he can get in IBDP or not, his English standard improves a lot in this year. (If you really want to know the details of the tuition centres, pls PM me. I don't want to violate the BK rule. Thanks.) 2. Form ranking My son reviews his handicaps in continuous assessment and examination results of certain subjects. His final ranking not announce yet, but definitely within top 80. [ 本帖最後由 ANChan59 於 11-7-26 15:59 編輯 ] |
| ilovenunu | 2010-07-01 22:39 |
| 謝謝你的分享。 那天聽簡介會, 不禁為上台的三位男生的自信及英語能力喝采。我想這應該是唸 IB 課程的得著吧。 |
| ANChan59 | 2010-07-01 22:55 |
| Tommy | 2010-07-02 01:19 |
| ANChan59, I’m so impressed with your article. Your analysis and inspiring thoughts can really help me to plan for my sons’ future studies. After reading your article, some questions regarding “JUPAS vs Non-JUPAS” came up to my mind. I believe you should have good understanding to them. Is the 75-25 rule applied to every school year? Do the universities review it every year? Do they make adjustment according to the quality and quantity of the Non-JUPAS applicants? What is the student ratio going for JUPAS and Non-JUPAS in the past? Was it also 75-25? Do you think the average standard of Non-JUPAS students is higher than the JUPAS counterparts or vice versa? Maybe make it simple and straight-forward. Do the local universities publish the “mean score” and “minimum score” carried by the JUPAS and Non-JUPAS applicants who entered the popular faculty? Sorry for so many questions raised. I’m just an ordinary and “calculated” parent. I’m puzzled and really want to verify whether it is less advantageous for a local student to go for Non-JUPAS. Many thanks. Tommy |
| ANChan59 | 2010-07-02 21:09 |
| Tommy | 2010-07-03 14:18 |
| mattsmum | 2010-07-03 23:26 |
| (2010年7月1日星期四) 我曾在本欄談過本地大學利用「非聯招」辦法收生所引起不公平問題：部份花得起錢的家長，把子女送到外國唸預科，拿取外國的高考成績（例如 GCE），再透過「非聯招」辦法投考香港的大學。外國的高考比香港的淺易得多，容易得到較佳成績，這些「留學生」因此可佔盡便宜，造成「有錢不用考香港高考，無錢留港捱高考」的現象。 文章在去年發表後沒有收過大學資助委員會和任何大學的回應，卻收到家長和同學的電郵，說問題嚴重。6月21日南華早報又有一篇「非聯招」的報道，並列舉數字說明，引述如下： 英國高考（GCE A-Level）每年考獲A級考生為26.7%，香港高考僅為3.6%。香港的大學每年收生約14500名入讀政府資助的本科課程，各大學並沒有設定「非聯招」學額比例或上限，「非聯招生」的數目正在不斷上升，由2004年的2924人（佔當年新生總數19.9%，下同）增至2008年的4107人（26.1%）。2008年，本地高考生考獲「大學入學資格」但因「沒有足夠學額」遭拒大學門外者有6000人。 「非聯招生」考進「熱門」學系的比例更厲害。科大的國際商業，2007年透過「非聯招」成功申請入學的比例為20%，2008年為37.2%，2009年更增至39.5%（即43人中有17人為「非聯招生」）；中大醫科2009年收生160人，其中49人（30.6%）來自「非聯招」；同年，港大醫科也是收生160人，其中竟有100人（62.5%）來自「非聯招」。 要到英國唸兩年預科？學費、宿費、生活費約為港幣900000元，你會考慮嗎？ |
| ANChan59 | 2010-07-04 08:23 |
Quote:原帖由 mattsmum 於 10-7-3 23:26 發表  (2010年7月1日星期四) (2010年7月1日星期四) 我曾在本欄談過本地大學利用「非聯招」辦法收生所引起不公平問題：部份花得起錢的家長，把子女送到外國唸預科，拿取外國的高考成績（例如 GCE），再透過「非聯招」辦法投考香港的大學。外國的高考比香港的淺易得多，容易得到較佳成績，這些「留學生」因此可佔盡便宜，造成「有錢不用考香港高考，無錢留港捱高考」的現象(Be straight, most of theirs parents are civil servants, they have overseas educational allowance up to 18 years old)。 文章在去年發表後沒有收過大學資助委員會和任何大學的回應，卻收到家長和同學的電郵，說問題嚴重。6月21日南華早報又有一篇「非聯招」的報道，並列舉數字說明，引述如下： 英國高考（GCE A-Level）每年考獲A級考生為26.7%，香港高考僅為3.6%。香港的大學每年收生約14500名入讀政府資助的本科課程 「非聯招生」考進「熱門」學系的比例更厲害。科大的國際商業，2007年透過「非聯招」成功申請入學的比例為20%，2008年為37.2%，2009年更增至39.5%（即43人中有17人為「非聯招生」）；中大醫科2009年收生160人，其中49人（30.6%）來自「非聯招」；同年，港大醫科也是收生160人，其中竟有100人（62.5%）來自「非聯招」(Do you think Direct Admission Scheme is non-JUPAS? EAS not counted as JUPAS. Check HKU Medicine and EAS.)。 要到英國唸兩年預科？學費、宿費、生活費約為港幣900000元，你會考慮嗎 (If I think better education is an long term investment, I will. If I think its expenses, I will have second thoughts)？ I read the SCMP's article, the journalist made some wrong assumption. More students in Medicine, Global business etc are come from EAS and not JUPAS. Go to LPCUWC's website, refer to university admission, most students 82% in local universities are Big 3 and majority went to Medicine, Global Business, Law and Architecture. Some of my friends in Universities told us that they made mistakes to enrol some 3-5 ALs students returned from UK, even in some good professional subjects, but they were not doing well in the university. Now, the Asmission Office pay special attention to students from UK with ALs. The coming trend is they prefer IB instead of AL. Moreover, non-JUPAS also included Higher Diploma and Associate Degree graduates. Your comments also provide some useful information in University Admission from different streams. I recommend you post a new topic and share with others. My topic only refer to NSS vs IB, how we struggle before Senior Higher School years? Originally, I post it in Middle School sub-forum. [ 本帖最後由 ANChan59 於 10-7-4 08:28 編輯 ] |
| mattsmum | 2010-07-04 13:44 |
| 这是从某一校长的专栏抄出来的,只是没抄来源(教育心語 — 龐永欣)， CU大学线（http://www.com.cuhk.edu.hk/ubeat/, 94期）有类似数字，看了吓一跳，不管IB也好GCE AL 也好，大学收不少. 收11608 JUPAS時就收了4107 non-jupas, 大學認為本地的不夠好嗎？ ibdp 我看了几年，任在理解中。FIS CIS RC 耀中 都能找到IB成绩. [ 本帖最後由 mattsmum 於 10-7-4 14:27 編輯 ] |
| ANChan59 | 2010-07-04 14:17 |
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