Sharing of IB vs NSS

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eviepa | 2011-01-13 22:40
ANChan59

香港剛出生的334制，對有志升讀英國3223模式的大學的學生會有困擾。可能你因此會覺得不快，不好意思。

對此海外留學，我所知甚少。不過我有以下的角度，不知同意否：

1. 一向英國大學都歧視香港學生 — 現在英國高考的總體得A率大概是27%。香港高考的成績比例我不知，但相信沒有一科是C或以上加起來有27%的。即是說，隨時一個考得三個C的港生，實力比英國三A生為強。這尤以理科更為明顯。但不要說三個C，聽說英國大學prefer英國的三個A多過香的三個B。

2. 留學不單止英國，還有美國等許多國家，這些國家是334的，香港學生無論用會考或是用高考成績去報讀，都是處於不利位置。334可以有效改善這個情況。

當然，初生有陣痛，而且痛的是頭你的子女，我同情。

eviepa
ANChan59 | 2011-01-13 23:19
eviepa

You always have a wrong impression on me as a die-hard supporter of HKAL, I explained more than one time, but you never listen. Yes, my wife and I studied in UK, but we are pretty open-mined in education. My son's first summer program in Australia(G4), then USA (G6), UK (G9).... we enourage wider exposure and analyse different systems for our boy. I need to be humble and I am not good enough to comment on those systems. May be you know more than us.

In UK, for top notch universities well consider HKAL, but they feel uncomfortable about HKDSE (Oxbridge). Their admission officers strongly recommended us either go for feeder school in UK or IB in HK. That's why we consider IB even I am not sure my son eligible to have an interview or not (Oxbridge). But, I and he didn't want to sit for so many examinations on top of HKDSE, GCE AL, SAT, AP etc. for overseas education.

Your point number 1 is partial valid, British discriminate other races and nationalities, just enjoy French, Scotish and Irish jokes. But Cambridge well appreciates the HKAL results as our Cs ~ to GCE As. Our 3As much much better than GCE-AL 3As, better preference in admission.

Your pt no.2 is nothing to do with my case as I explained in first paragraph. Don't complicated with 334 and 523 arguement again.

ANChan59 [ 本帖最後由 ANChan59 於 11-1-15 00:13 編輯 ]
eviepa | 2011-01-13 23:49
AnChan59,

道聽途說過一些IB理念，印象是一個很好的program，預祝你孩子成功修讀IB，日後找到一間好大學。

IB有多年的經歷，而且是成功的經驗，國際性的認受性自然高，修讀這課程必定好。但我預測，日後文憑試在國際的認受性也不會很低。假以時日。

eviepa
ANChan59 | 2011-01-14 23:07
Quote:原帖由 eviepa 於 11-1-13 23:49 發表
IB有多年(Over 60 yrs)的經歷，而且是成功的經驗，國際性的認受性自然高，修讀這課程必定好。


Finally, you get my point.

Good luck to your daughter.
ChiChiPaPa | 2011-01-15 09:19
Quote:原帖由 eviepa 於 11-1-13 23:49 發表
AnChan59,

道聽途說過一些IB理念，印象是一個很好的program，預祝你孩子成功修讀IB，日後找到一間好大學。

IB有多年的經歷，而且是成功的經驗，國際性的認受性自然高，修讀這課程必定好。但我預測，日後文憑試在國際的認受性也不 ...


我覺得文憑試其實不淺，文憑試的學生是可以同時應考其他公開考試。部份科目和其他國際試的範圍差別不大，應考其他國際試所付出的額外時間不會多很多，但可減少一試定生死的問題，和加強報海外大學的籌碼。

我希望將來會有學校或教育機構為文憑試的學生開辦美國的 AP 課程，尤其是數學和經濟科，這將有助文憑試的尖子取得美國大學的學位。

目前已有學校幫學生報 IGCSE，例如優才、聖保祿學校，不過，IGCSE 的深度不及 AP。對有實力的文憑試考生，AP 應是更好的挑戰。

政府也應努力為文憑試取得內地的認可，以提升文憑試的價值。其實過往的香港考試已取得英美澳大學承認，文憑試要取得她們的認可只是時間問題。相反香港的考試過往得不到內地知名大學的認可，文憑試是可打開這升學通道，為香港學生提供更廣闊的出路。
ANChan59 | 2011-01-15 20:53
我覺得文憑試其實不淺，文憑試的學生是可以同時應考其他公開考試。部份科目和其他國際試的範圍差別不大，應考其他國際試所付出的額外時間不會多很多，但可減少一試定生死的問題，和加強報海外大學的籌碼。
Why HKDSE instead of HKCEE & HKALE? Reduce the examination pressure and no. of exam. of the students. Am I correct? Why more exam?????

我希望將來會有學校或教育機構為文憑試的學生開辦美國的 AP 課程，尤其是數學和經濟科，這將有助文憑試的尖子取得美國大學的學位。
My son got some AP credit in maths from EPGY.

目前已有學校幫學生報 IGCSE，例如優才、聖保祿學校，不過，IGCSE 的深度不及 AP。對有實力的文憑試考生，AP 應是更好的挑戰。
More examinations ....... another way to reduce the popularity of HKDSE again. I highly regard the smartness of the principal of those school.

政府也應努力為文憑試取得內地的認可，以提升文憑試的價值。其實過往的香港考試已取得英美澳大學承認，文憑試要取得她們的認可只是時間問題。相反香港的考試過往得不到內地知名大學的認可，文憑試是可打開這升學通道，為香港學生提供更廣闊的出路。
HKEAA - in the process to negotiate with China Examination/Education Bureau .
ChiChiPaPa | 2011-01-16 09:05
Quote:原帖由 ANChan59 於 11-1-15 20:53 發表
我覺得文憑試其實不淺，文憑試的學生是可以同時應考其他公開考試。部份科目和其他國際試的範圍差別不大，應考其他國際試所付出的額外時間不會多很多，但可減少一試定生死的問題，和加強報海外大學的籌碼。
Why HKDSE instead ...


測考有它的作用，並不可怕。HKCEE 和 HKAL 之所以可怕，是因它對考生的前途有重大影響，因而對考生產生重大壓力。減少這些考試的次數可減少學生長時間面對的壓力。

我自己當年讀中學時都有應考其他公開試，包括LCCI 和 GCE O-level 和 A-level。以GCE為例，它有多個 Exam Board，一年可有多次的考試。當時同學們應考這些考試的心情就像打機一樣。如果取不到最高等級，就當打不爆機，「算」。不會有甚麼後果的，要再來過也可以。

我都覺得就算知道香港考生可以在這些海外考試較易取得好成績，也不會有太多學校支持學生考 IGCSE，GCE 和 AP，因為他們要面對學生因而流失的問題。成績優秀的學生取得佳續後，很可能會早一些往海外升學。
ANChan59 | 2011-01-16 11:43
Thanks for your sharing in public exams issues. You made a good point for primary and secondary importance of different exams for different students.

Good discussion.....

Amazingly, my son did convince me - focus, focus, focus..... single exam if possible.
easy | 2011-01-16 12:01
ANChan,

Glad to know your son will enter the 2nd round -Challenge Day. I particpated the NSS & IB talk in our school yesterday. After IB teacher and student's presentation, they gave me a very good impression.

Waiting for sharing of interview and your son teacher's comment after Parent's Day.

Quote:原帖由 ANChan59 於 11-1-13 13:21 發表
The parents day will be on 29th and we can meet with his teachers to review his performance in Pre-IB.

From his personal opinion, he may struggle a bit in languages, other subjects meet expectation.
...
ANChan59 | 2011-01-16 13:35
Quote:原帖由 easy 於 11-1-16 12:01 發表
ANChan,

Glad to know your son will enter the 2nd round -Challenge Day. I particpated the NSS & IB talk in our school yesterday. After IB teacher and student's presentation, they gave me a very good i ...


He didn't receive the invitation letter for Challenge Day yet. The letter will be posted to applicants on or before 10th Feb. Anyway, he will prepare for that. We are lucky enough have some contacts in LPCUWC from DBS, applicants attended the admission process before and graduates. Their info will be useful for preparation.

What's your preference on NSS & IB so far? In case your boy interested in IB, we can share either here or pm me.

I guess your boy also from DBS. He can apply for SPCC as well, but aware a compulsory question "What's your preference between SPCC & DBS?" [ 本帖最後由 ANChan59 於 11-1-16 13:44 編輯 ]
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