Sharing of IB vs NSS

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ANChan59 | 2011-10-23 15:53
In another post, a parent raised the above question, here is my replies.

http://forum.edu-kingdom.com/red ... o=lastpost#lastpost

Some observations on your cases:

1. I agreed some IB stduents may not be the cream of the cream before IBDP, my son may be an example. But IBDP has totally different approach for studying, not like HKDSE/NSS. Some students may be more suitable in IB and perform much better in studying and examination format and achieve better grades. My son's progress in IB may overtake some friends who perform better than him in G7-9 in the same school. In the IB admission of my son's school, some students were recommended to stick to NSS by the IB coordinator, as they will perform much better in HKDSE.

2. IBDP is more demanding in learning process, I can witness my boy's work load and the quality of outputs. He finished Pre-IB last year and IBDP yr 1 around 2 months, he needs to work long hours for homeworks (I review his homework, most of them are meaningful and not repetitive drilling exercise.)and more quiz and progress test.... relative to NSS friends in the same grade & school, their progress much faster than NSS.

"Who move the cheese?"..........

3. In the program, they need to do commentaries, critique, oral presentation, group projects, CAS, TOK, EE.......... Student profile - learn how to learn, inquirer, critical thinking, creativity ..... they are nuturing very similar to university students, but in high school. They have higher self-esteem and self confidence and more comfortable in interviews. If I were a professor, similar results, I will take IB students.

4. GCE-AL may be another stories, most of them are studying in UK due to whatever reasons (We may think some of them are the kids of our dear civil servents.....). The standard may be even lower than HKDSE. I can't believe 30% student got A in GCE-AL....... Now, more and more UK boarding and private schools changed to IB schools. Unfortunately, some professors' view on GCE-AL not align with reality.

5. I chatted with a few professors from business & medical schools, they ranked the academic results in desending order like this:
HKALE > IBDP > [HKDSE] > GCE-ALE > HKCEE > IGCSE,
so more drop outs are from:
EAS (both HKCEE & IGCSE) > GCE-AL > IBDP


6. 知恥近乎勇 - if there is a choice, most parents and kids prefer to study in HK. Of course, some kids are very outstanding and study in feeder schools. But most of them due to relative poorer academic results or other problems. After changing to a new environment, the kid may have a chance to rethink and reshape himself due to teachers, new peer groups and more postive learning environment.....

7. Even more mature students also understand the financial burden to their families, get better grades and through non-JUPAS get back to local universities, can helpthem to save HK$400-500k per year. I won't say its unfair if their results is comparable to other qualified kids.

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20101101 | 2011-10-23 19:39
ANChan59, kym & Annie123,

Get confused! :unknown:

May I revise the statement as:

"So, from 2013 onwards, there will be the following possible combinations like:

(1) Group 1 - English (A, HL/SL)
Group 2 - Chinese (B/ab, HL/SL)

(2) Group 1 - Chinese (A, HL/SL)
Group 2 - English (B/ab, HL/SL)"


Right?

Can I also say Language B under Group 2 is less counting than Language A under Group 1?

And thus, Combination (2) stands less or no chance for MBBS, LLB, BBA & GBUS as compared with Combination (1).
WYmom | 2011-10-23 21:20
Quote:原帖由 20101101 於 11-10-23 19:39 發表
ANChan59, kym & Annie123,

Get confused! :unknown:

May I revise the statement as:

"So, from 2013 onwards, there will be the following possible combinations like:

(1) Group 1 - English (A, HL/SL)
...


I don't understand your options. My daughter in ESF will take English A and Chinese A in Group 1, and no Group 2.

I think if your kid wants to study law, English A HL is a must, Chinese A can be HL/SL. I don't think Group 2 Chinese B is acceptable for law faculty.
20101101 | 2011-10-24 09:32
Quote:原帖由 WYmom 於 11-10-23 21:20 發表


My daughter in ESF will take English A and Chinese A in Group 1, and no Group 2.


Dear WYmom,

You raise another interesting point!
I also learn that Renaissance College has their students taking both English & Chinese under Group 1 as Language A. No Language B under Group 1 and no Group 2 Language.
This is different from what I got from other IB schools like DBS, CS, ... that one language from each of Group 1 and Group 2.

20101101
c1234 | 2011-10-24 09:45
不好意思,努力地看了這topic,但始終不能明白,想請教下前輩:
1 究竟讀IB 是否好過讀 334
2 若讀IB,是否在小學階段開始讀會好些,還是在初中FORM 1階段開始讀會好些,又或者是FORM 4開始讀會好些?
謝謝!
Annie123 | 2011-10-24 09:57
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20101101 | 2011-10-24 11:09
Quote:原帖由 Annie123 於 11-10-24 09:57 發表

Group 1 has to be Language A.

Group 2 is officially B or ab inito. But you have a choice of choosing one more Langauge A as your Group 2 language.


Dear Annie123,

Thanks for your prompt reply.

I did visit the ibo website, but I received different interpretations from other parents here, which I don't repeat. So, I want to make it clearer. Thanks again for your input!

You mean in RCHK, you can choose one more langauge A under Group 1 or Group 2? If under Group 1, that means 2 languages A under Group1 and no more language (A/B/ab) under Group 2. Is that in line with IBO curriculum which requires at least one subject under each Group of 1-5? Or you mean in total 3 lanuages under Groups 1 & 2. Wow!

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Annie123 | 2011-10-24 11:26
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20101101 | 2011-10-24 13:06
Quote:原帖由 Annie123 於 11-10-24 11:26 發表

Everyone take 6 different subjects. One subject from each group. No one would be different no matter which school you are in.

Group 1 - Language A

Group 2 - Language B or ab initio. Or instead, you can choose another language class from Group 1.

Group 3 - Humanities

Group 4 - Science

Group 5 - Math & Computer

Group 6 - Arts. Or instead, you can choose one subject froun Groups 1 - 5.





Dear Annie,

Thanks again for your reply and patience!

Indeed, I got all those from the IBO website, except the statement highlighted in blue. That is not explicitly spelled out in the IBO website (maybe I overlook it?) and cause the confusion here. Can you or other parents enlighten me where I can find the provision of such an alternative.
Annie123 | 2011-10-24 13:43
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